Stairway to Gray Telegram + Gray Market Sources/Vendors
Stairway to Gray: What You Actually Need to Know​
If you're searching for Stairway to Gray (STG), you've probably heard it's the place for peptide research. Let me save you some time and confusion.
How to Join STG​
Main link: t.me/+bXZa3MrsQIBiMWMx
The group has 35,000+ members. Yes, it's huge.
What STG Actually Is​
'STG - NO OILS' is a Telegram community for people who already know what they're doing with peptides.
This isn't where you go to ask "what's bacteriostatic water?" or "how do I calculate doses?" Those questions will get ignored or worse.
If You Are New, You Probably Aren't Ready for STG​
I know that sounds harsh, but hear me out. If you can't immediately answer these questions, STG isn't for you yet:
- How many mg are in 0.1mL if you reconstitute 10mg with 2mL BAC water?
- What should you check on a vendor's COA? What's purity and fill rate? What values are acceptable?
- How do you verify if the peptide vials you got from the vendor are from the same batch that was used to run 3rd party tests?
Lost? That's fine. Most people are when they start.
Where to Actually Start: Gray Guide​
There's another community called Gray Guide (also known as Peptide Research Group) with 600+ members. It's specifically for beginners.
Join here: t.me/+LEg-RM6WZpxiYWQ1
Website: gray.guide
The vibe is completely different:
- People explain things step-by-step
- "Stupid questions" are welcomed
- They cover all the basics STG assumes you know
- Actual guides with pictures for reconstitution, injection sites, etc.
- Specially designed for old people who can't navigate the gray market on their own.
Gray Guide is where you learn. STG is where you go after you've been doing this for couple of months and want to discuss advanced protocols.
The Smart Path​
Start with Gray Guide. Seriously. Spend 1-2 months there learning:
- Find pre-vetted, community verified sellers with good reviews
- Reconstituting peptides and dosage math using our calculator
- Drawing and Injecting
- Storage guidelines and much more
Once you've done a few cycles successfully without needing help, then jump into STG. You'll actually understand the conversations and contribute something useful.
STG vs Gray Guide: The Real Difference​
STG: "Figure it out yourself" 36000+ members discussing advanced stacking, research papers, vendor testing. Fast-paced. No hand-holding.
Gray Guide: "We'll help you learn" 600+ members helping newbies with everything from "where do I inject?" to "is this vendor legit?"
Both serve a purpose. Neither is "better" they're just for different experience levels.
Quick FAQ​
Can I join both? Sure. Lots of people stay in Gray Guide even after joining STG.
Why does STG say "NO OILS"? They only do DIY powder reconstitution. "Oils" = pre-mixed products that some vendors sell. DIY is cheaper and you control the concentration.
How long before I'm ready for STG? If you're actively using peptides, probably 2-3 months. You'll know when basic questions bore you and you want deeper discussions.
Bottom Line​
STG is great if you're experienced. If you're new, you'll just get frustrated and possibly make dangerous mistakes. Start with Gray Guide, learn the fundamentals, then graduate to STG when you're ready.
Both communities are solid. Just pick the right one for where you are now.
How to Find Legitimate GLP-1 Peptide Vendors​
Information only - do your own due diligence. This walkthrough explains how people actually dig up suppliers on Reddit when straight-up "Where can I buy?" posts get deleted.
For verified suppliers, visit our community-vetted vendors directory or research additional sources through established Reddit communities.
1 Map the useful subreddits​
| Tier | Subreddit | Why it matters |
|---|---|---|
| Primary | r/PeptideSource, r/glp1peptides, r/SemaglutideFreeSpeech | Direct vendor names, Google-Drive price sheets, Telegram links. Low moderation. |
| Secondary | r/Semaglutide, r/TirzepatideCompound, r/GLP1 | Large audiences. Sourcing posts are removed, but comments still drop hints. |
| Specialty | r/CompoundedGLP1Drugs, r/Ozempic, r/FamilyMedicine | Discussion of US telehealth / compounding; sometimes users compare prices with gray vendors. |
Tip: Switch to old.reddit.com; removed comments often stay visible a few minutes longer.
2 Master the search operators​
| Goal | Sample Google dork |
|---|---|
| Find Telegram links | site:reddit.com/t.me glp1 |
| Surface spreadsheets | site:reddit.com "Price comparison sheet" semaglutide |
| Dig up deleted vendor names | site:reddit.com "sema" "backup source" |
| Grab phone numbers / WhatsApp | site:reddit.com "+91" tirzepatide |
Copy the thread URL into Reveddit to reveal recently deleted comments.
3 Follow the trail off-platform​
- Join the Telegram link or Discord invite dropped in the comments.
- Scroll Pinned Messages for vendor spreadsheets, coupon codes, and shipping photos.
- Use the chat search (
Ctrl + F) for “tracking,” “customs,” or “seized” to gauge delivery success.
4 Paying the Way Vendors Allow​
Most gray-market sellers refuse credit cards or normal PayPal checkout. A buyer can file a charge-back after delivery and the processor will claw the money back. To avoid that fraud risk, vendors stick to irreversible payments.
Why no Stripe or credit-card checkout?
A single charge-back can cost the vendor the sale plus a processor penalty and can also get their merchant account shut down. For them it is safer to accept only crypto.
Practical Workflow​
- Plan to pay in crypto. If you are new, read the crypto guide.
- Cash App, Coinbase, PayPal and other methods are covered there step by step.
- Cash App (US only): buy Bitcoin with a linked debit card or bank (credit cards not supported).
- PayPal: buy supported coins with PayPal balance, linked bank, or debit card; credit cards generally not accepted.
- Send a test transaction first.
- Send a small amount (e.g., $5 in BTC) and confirm the vendor received it before wiring the rest.
- Document everything.
- Screenshot the recipient address, chosen network, and transaction ID (TXID). This proves what you sent and where.
Learning basic crypto transfers is a one-time skill. Once you have a wallet setup that works, every future purchase is faster and cheaper than any card processor that would handle gray-market trades.
Take-home message​
Most real leads appear in deleted Reddit comments, user profiles, or off-platform chats. Learn to:
- Search smart (site filters, Reveddit).
- Confirm with photos and barcodes.
- Learn how crypto payments work..
Follow those rules and you will weed out 90% of scams before money changes hands.